Thursday, June 01, 2006

An analysis of vaporware.

It's a real shame when talented and energetic individuals are manipulated into following a lost cause. Instead of being a positive learning experience for those involved, its becomes a ordeal of pain fueled by lies and deceit. All this can only lead to bad press and disillusioned team members who may decide to throw in the towel after years of their hard work never materializes into something tangible. This has a negative impact on the modding community, and game development in general. Nuclear Dawn is a prime example of this situation. The following are scans from the magazine "Computer Gaming World" as seen on the nuclear dawn website (http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/) Normally I wouldn't mention anything but after seeing these, I thought enough was enough.








It looks great. It's just a shame it's all imaginary and the mod exists as vaporware, built almost entirely on hype generated from lies. The only truth is the sheer quality of the work of the extremely talented artists. Unfortunately this art does not exist as a game, which you have all been misled to believe exists in any remotely near playable form. And the fact of the matter is a great deal of the art you see was made by team members who have long since realized this truth and left the team long ago. What you are about to read is an analysis of these images which will hopefully pull the wool away from your eyes, and expose the truth about this mod.

To make comparison easier, I've created images containing key parts from the magazine scans and/or other ND screenshots. All the source art for it can be found on the Nuclear Dawn website in news posts or galleries. If you have any suspicion about my comparison images being photoshopped to prove a point, please see their copies as reference.

This first image shows the commander hud featured on page 2 and page 3 of the magazine. As you can see the huds contain the exact same data. The minimap is identical. The player list on the side is identical, the power meter is identical, even though it's supposed to be showing two completely different scenes. This is because it is simply a photoshop overlay on a screenshot.

This second image is the one that really bothered me and compelled me the most to create this. The top image shows a picture taken from a nuclear dawn news post, showing a person shooting at some enemies with a pistol. Even back then I thought there was something a little strange about the 'animations' on the players. The image underneath it is taken from page 3 of the magazine scan and shows the exact same scene except a different angle and a different weapon being fired. The reason for this is those 'players' are simply static props, exported and positioned like figurines, yet you are lead to believe that it is ingame action. Take a very close look, in both screenshots they are in identical poses.

This last screenshot is perhaps the most indisputable one, and unfortunately I had to use private media provided by an unnamed Nuclear Dawn team member, I would have rather done it with just media on their own website. The top left screenshot shows a cutout from page3 of the magazine scan. The top right screenshot shows an image taken from a Nuclear Dawn news update. Notice how they are identical, except one has a hud and the other does not? The bottom screenshot is many months old and shows a completely photoshopped concept for the ND hud. If you take a look at the shot featured in the magazine scan, you will see it is a photoshopped overlay of that very same hud, right down to the chat. The minimap shows positions for things that aren't there, and is identical in both screenshots.

As I've said, all content used to create this can be found on the nuclear dawn website (except the hud concept screenshot) and lastly, I find it very ironic how true this misleading quote from the Nuclear Dawn website is


"The alpha screenshots in these magazine scans are clear evidence of just how far along Nuclear Dawn is in development."

That's all I have to say. Believe what you will, but I for one will not be taken for a fool.

134 Comments:

Anonymous Ennui said...

You're going to feel pretty stupid on release day.

Funny how you don't reveal your identity. I suppose that when you're the one who IS taken for a fool, you won't want people to know who it is.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sheer quality of the work that has been put into this mod makes that a shame to read, but DaveL's constant bad attitude to everyone else in the modding community counters that entirely. (I'm sure everyone has heard the stories. Let me assure you that they are true.)

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm keen on the phrase "don't believe the hype", or "put your money where your mouth is". This applies to all games and movies etc. Put it in my hands and then I will comment. Shame.

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arent there people beta testing this?

3:44 PM  
Anonymous Smoking Man said...

Would'nt surprize me one bit, considering the way Davel goes alround treating other mods and their team members. Its pretty sad for the team members themselfs who put in their hardwork and talents for the ND mod, that their own leader has damaged the mod's reputation of a respectable mod, because of his own personnal attacks and harassment towards other mods and their team members.

3:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=22897&postcount=14

4:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems more like every coder in the game thinks this is a load of crap.

5:09 PM  
Anonymous well said...

I guess if I was on the team I'd probably defend it to the bitter end as well

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i lol'd

5:24 PM  
Anonymous Feath said...

Very interesting. Even if what DaveL says is true, then the Mr Lyon was still a bit misleading in saying that screenshots show how far ahead they are.

5:31 PM  
Anonymous Hunter said...

What was the aim of this blog? Did you hope for power? For fellow people to unite with? To damage a mods rep? You have sadly failed.

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lies will be revealed in due time. At that time, either side that is not correct will get self-owned. And I think it will be you.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of mod teams make mock ups to show how much progress they've made. It's nothing new, and retarded how you can be so dramatic about such a thing as this.

Shit, even big professional game developers do it. It's called PR aka bullshit/lies.

Deal with it.

PS. Mod developers

Please take yourselves less serious. Kthx.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow this davel guy is a real tool, and a total ripoff of ns mod for hl.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Matt Waggle said...

Pretty sad your spending so much energy trying to bring a good mod down. Why dont you try to expose EA or Microsoft for bieng generally lame?

Or better yet, make your own mod and we'll see how you handle a tight deadline from a magazine wanting to show your progress. I bet you cut a few corners too.

Get over it, and good luck ND

[HB]Matt_Waggle
www.hull-breach.com

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you do understand that flayra (ns creator) took his idea's from starcraft right? you can't ripoff ns without taking skulks and onos's from the game. it's an rts. saying nuclear dawn is a rip off is like saying empires and caliber is as well.

friggn' idiot

6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you do understand that flayra (ns creator) took his idea's from starcraft right? you can't ripoff ns without taking skulks and onos's from the game. it's an rts. saying nuclear dawn is a rip off is like saying empires and caliber is as well.

friggn' idiot

6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH great here come the ND "community plants"

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May I ask you where you got this preposterous idea? maps have been made, as well as character and weapon models. They are clearly in some stage of development where the game is at least playable. The main question here is who would make such an elaborate deception just to let others down? Have you simply been offended by DaveL? Show some REAL evidence so that your story is more than a hollow accusation.

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

because a community plant is someone from hull breach right?

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Believe what you will, but I for one will not be taken for a fool."

You, my friend, jump to quick conclusions. You say you wont be taken for a fool, you make yourself look like one, you raise some valid points but the information they provided makes more sense then you tried to dig up and throw at them. They didn't have much time to release screenshots to the media, so they give us examples of the exact hud, just the same ones without any actions, its better than nothing, and you make false accusations. Maybe you should blog something that wont draw negative attention to you, let alone attack a mod community.

Give it a rest "Dr. Strangelove"

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew ND was fake all along. I bet the betatest signup page is also fake, it may add it to the DB and everything, but I doubt they even have any beta testers, it all for show. They just use that convince people that they are in a playable stage when they acctualy aren't. I seriously do feel sorry for all the Team members involved, lot's of waisted talent. The mod is probably no where near playable. I also feel sorry for all the community forum junkies with 100+ post's who are brainwashed by DaveL and kiss his ass abundantly. Vaporware simply said. If it ever is released within the next year I bet it won't live up to the hype.

SOOOOO DaveL admitted to most of it. Doesn't that prove something. I mean this guy is so full of crap it's not even funny. Screenshots show nothing. Id like to see at least a 3minute video of gameplay. Why doesn't he give us some of that if his mod is really "playable" and far along in development? I also have to agree that alot of the team members have quit, because of the unproffessional person that is DaveL. Hype will get you nowhere DaveL, and it is a waist of time. You should just take your whole site down until ND is at a stage where you have videos and some beta builds. Other then that DaveL fuck off the internets doesn't like you.

-I hold the rusty knife-

8:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. Be a little less gay like Garry, notice how he post's videos at least twice a month showing progress. Comeon, take that cock out yo' ass and prove somethin.

-I hold the rusty knife-

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a tester and I can indeed confirm that Nuclear Dawn in its current state (that I know of) isn't as pretty as seen in those pics. However, it's playable (also in commander mode) and have been for well, perhaps over a year.

Yeah, it's a shame that the team didn't use more of their spare time to work for no money, but lets be honest here... They got this huge chance to get featured in a game magazine, and they spiced up the pics a little bit. Big deal.

The finished mod will surely be a lot prettier than what we've seen in the article, but at the moment graphics aren't the main focus. Nevertheless, it looks fantastic even with a placeholder HUD.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@matt

"We should support ND... post a comment or whatever. We'd want them to do the same for us."

Thats what you said on your mod forums.

It's nice to see that DaveL already has another mod on his payment list. Along with Crispy the enforcer and the general handfull of community plants I'm pretty sure that the ring of organisted mod crime has been completed.

It's just great to see how ignorant some people are, who clearly think about themselves and their little ND before thinking about the effect ND has had on the community at large.

DaveL should be removed from the team; along with crispy and his 'boys'. They bring shame to ND's name and should be dealt with.

12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wooo; a tester community plant!!

Keep em coming Dave!

12:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I for one know that it hasnt been active for over a year, so this clearly is another one of ND's lies.

12:21 AM  
Anonymous Internet said...

This is probably the least stupid thing Nuclear Dawn has done.

This isn't the first time they have faked screenshots though.

Some of their original media featured a big battle on a subway platform. What they obviously didn't show was that the subway platform was just a corner of an empty map. It was staged, and now I find it safe to say the combat going on was pre-posed.

On www.halflife2.net they bribed the head admin into deleting posts that criticised (not flamed) the mod.

DaveL has made vague threats and legal threats against tons of critics, including against people I know.

They have hired people to pretend to be fans, on forums across the internet.

In general, Nuclear Dawn has harassed and insulted countless people in the mod community for no good reason.

I wish they would just stop it.

12:36 AM  
Anonymous Blackcyborg said...

Ok ashole!. I'm Blackcyborg one of the ND forum members! and you are LIEYING!. Everthing he said is NOT TRUE!. He's just a random asshole!who think he can humeliate Nuclear-dawn!. Everthing he's saying is not true!.Belive me!

12:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice to see the maturity in it's forum members blackcyborg.

Perhaps you just are too brainwashed to see the truth.

I am sorry for the loss of your brain.

Can someone say "Angry ND plant"?

1:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow it great to see that youre a complete ass who likes too ruin things.

although you do make 'some' good points

1:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol you sure know how to present a steaming pile of bullshit whoever you are! maybe add a few more bells and whistles on the drama next time, you might get a better reaction.

I've been mapping for Nuclear Dawn for over a year and it always makes me laugh when I see stuff like this. I always picture some whiney pubecent emo kid sat in a darkened room, who after an argument with his parents for not allowing his latest scrotum piercing, takes out his anger the only way they know how- THE INTERNET!

Grow up kid, nobody cares about your issues, and most importantly, no one cares about your scrotum piercings.

Im not sure what this was supposed to achive but arent we going to look clever this coming winter ;)

1:22 AM  
Anonymous heh said...

I think it's a little bizzare how people feel attacked, perhaps it's because they know the truth, but normally I don't someone speaking their mind on their blog should be subject to all of this hostility... In my mind it makes me believe what the blogger is saying 100%, I mean just look at the reactions from admitted ND team members, they're definately frightened.

1:27 AM  
Anonymous fearian said...

I noticed a few of these things in the scans but I wasnt much bothered. theres not that much space between having a model rigged as a prop and having it as a playable model. its got all the poses so its rigged up, just maybe not animated. ND is still much firther ahead than most other mods.

however they really shouldnt have made this crap up. if your going to mock up a screenshot, at least tell us its a mock up.

1:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS IS THE NUCLEAR DAWN POLICE, AND THIS LAIR OF HATRED IS BUSTED!

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ND plants assault!!

http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=943&page=5

Ignorance rules the world!

IS ND the new north Korea?

All praise our glorious leader DaveL!!

1:37 AM  
Anonymous Blackcyborg said...

HALT!!. This is ND police, You liar!!.



This is not true,the mod is real!. if it's not real then what about the betatests!? i AM A ND betatester and for what i saw this mod is really cool!. You won't be dissapointed with the relase.


DON'T BELIVE DR.STRANGE LOVE HE'S A LAIR!.

2:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I somehow doubt that Valve would advertise Nuclear Dawn on steam if it was not a real mod. Valve would have definately playtested this mod(in whatever stage it is in) and made sure that it was near completion before they advertised it on Steam.

2:22 AM  
Anonymous Blackcyborg said...

[url]http://www.Nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=22897&postcount=14[/url]



Here's the ansewr to those rumors!.

2:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Latest news today: ND plant blackcyborg tries to get point across by using bad grammar and even worse punctuation.

2:24 AM  
Anonymous Namron said...

The thing about DaveL forcing Munro to delete all the negative posts about Nuclear Dawn on Halflife2.net isn't accurate. The thread is still there, go look for yourself. The really nasty comments aren't deleted.

The best guess yet I've heard about the whole situation is that Nuclear Dawn was flamed by some random internet troll and DaveL, among others, got upset and informed Munro - who was probably drunk or something and randomly deleted posts, some being positive about Nuclear Dawn, some negative.

What this whole blog entry proves is that the HUD isn't done. Nothing else.

Too much drama.

(No, no one - not even the Illuminati - paid me or told me to post this.)

2:55 AM  
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3:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, the e-drama !

Hell, even if all what you say is true (which I certainly doubt), the mod is getting along pretty nicely, no ?

They couldn't (magic, magic !) photoshop everything on the pictures.

There are maps which look fantastic (check the rocket silo pics), there are models and there's a placeholder hud.

A lot of mods around die at the concept art stage (maybe a couple of weapon renders, too.)

So please, there's some tool we use in the real world, and it's called common sense. Pretty nifty, it allow s me to conclude this:

- There's a whole lot of testers positive on the fact that they're playing the test version of ND. Bye, bye Vaporware argument.
- Davel himself parred all of your accusations on the ND forum.
- Mod teams pimping their screenshots a bit, happens all the time. What would you do when your mod is getting a 3-page exposure in one of the leading game magazines ?

And to all the other comments: Frustrated minds think alike. And so do monkeys.

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's kind of funny how you guys say it's not done, yet I've SEEN the video's. You just gotta know your way around the internet.

Save the drama for your mama fools.

3:22 AM  
Anonymous A name with a 8 said...

I like how a anonymous says that. I'm not a guy that started this I'm a differnt Anonymous. Also I had a chat with a ND developer on #Gmod once. He said he was a +Formal+ (NOT WORKING ANYMORE) developer. He said there was no hud and that the mod was beraly functioning when he quit.

4:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is funny - sad how a fan boi turns against his love.

I was part of the team for a short while and can say the alpha code i had access to shows that these images found in CGW, are 97% correct.

The interface update that was used by the department leads was part of the CGW media relase, but sadly, i left before i was able to see its changes.

So IMO, these screenshots are not Photochoped, but are infact true media images from in game.

5:07 AM  
Blogger  said...

It's pretty sad how ever time someone sticks up for ND, they're labelled as a "community plant" by some anonymous cockend who can't even be bothered to register.

I saw the link to the original blog, and then daveL's response in another modding/community (CDG) and to be honest, I could quite see what the blogger was trying to prove.

I think that it's wrong to try and discredit people based on crappy evidence - I mean, most game screenshots could probably be mocked up in garry's mod - it's a very useful app - so it doesn't prove anything either way.

But meh, at least register if you're going to start flaming people here and there for sticking up for their opinions.

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

- Official response

5:14 AM  
Anonymous eXtendedCP said...

Amazing to see two distinct sides -- one dubbed the "ND plants", one dubbed the "preposterous fools".

It is also amazing to see people fighting over a mod -- it's a mod. It's free. Whether be it released or not, you get to play without paying.

So why not go flame Duke Nukem Forever (which takes forever) instead? It's real vapourware, and you need to pay for it. Paying for vapourware is dumb, so go nuke it.

"ND Plants" are certainly fed up because they have a reason to believe in the mod and its members, and they don't like the reason breached. Insulting the mod without concrete basis (Screenshots do not say everything. It can be Photoshopped, as what the blogger says) irritates them, so they came here and try to knock some sense into the blogger.

Whereas the "fools", saying things like "ripoff" (hmm.. I can tell that many games are ripoffs..) and "no proof that the mod is actually in development".

So now, to the "fools", I have to say. Why not go and demand a video from Black Mesa, then? They don't have a video. I can also say that the screenshots are Photoshopped, and they just composed three songs. And the headcrab in one of the shots is posed, and that the crowbar is simply give weapon_crowbar.

So now I can start a new blog, insulting a mod that the "fools" all love, and label them "plants" or even, "chained bulldogs". You like it? No.

If you cannot put down ND's argument, you have no right to label them "plants" when your own argument got nuked. Sure, call me a "plant" since I agree that the blogger and you, the dog, just gotten nuked in the ass. But the fact is there that you got nuked.

So if you can only stick around and say "plants are coming!!!" and not find a way to put down ND's official response, I can say that instead of ruining the blogger's already tarnishing reputation, you should stem the flow of bandwidth-wasting worthless words.

5:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we have to call people plants when some community member already admits its going to happen.

People are sick and tired of the BS that DaveL puts out there(oh hi bashing every other mod team and calling up other modders to take down comments you dont like) and the disgusting PR hype department(community plants need I say more) what goes around comes around.

Have fun with your faked sceenshots and 4th quater soon to slip release date.

6:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the key issue everyone seems to be missing here is that the material shown in the magazine does not represent the current progress of the mod, and to use that media as some kind of representation of how close to release/how far the mod has come along is fradulent and dishonest to the community and to the fans in general, who suddenly seem so eager to defend it.

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NOOBS LOL YEH

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Ennui said...

I'm a forum member on Nuclear Dawn (oh noes, ND plant, ololo) and as I'm a moderator and aquaintance of some team members, I've seen some non-public content; all I have to say is all of you hoping this is going to be a big floppy letdown are going to be sore on release day.

Some of you know me from Halflife2.net; I'm staff, and any other forumites know damn well that I'm no idiot. I support Nuclear Dawn.

If you don't, that's fine with me. I couldn't care less how much you hate Nuclear Dawn, DaveL, Crispy, or ND's approach to modmaking and PR as a whole - but it's immature and annoying when you exhibit the behavior some people in these comments have.

Grow the fuck up. If you don't like it, leave it alone. According to you, it'll fail miserably and everyone will point their fingers and laugh at them, hah-hah, and you'll feel precious and superior. All you stand to gain here, other than generally being assholes, is the chance to look like a complete idiot when ND proves your unfounded, ignorant accusations wrong.

I guess that's why you're all anonymous.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Erestheux said...

I'm confused about this whole ordeal.

Strangelove posted this blog accusing ND of manipulating screenshots and just generally lying about the current state of the mod's development.

DaveL, ND leader, came out and just stated that, yeah, everything Strangelove concluded was completely true.

Strangelove... was pwnt? I'm not seeing the logic here. While it is arguable that ND is vaporware, as you cannot really prove that from some shopped screens, the fact remains-- Strangelove was completely correct with his accusations, and we have confirmation by DaveL himself.

So they lied.

Shouldn't the fans know that they lied? How is it such a horrible, immature thing to point out that they lied? Because they did lie, and DaveL admitted it. Lie, lie, lie.

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh come on, how the hell can people defend such a shit wank mod? The leader, is a pillock. He lies, he goes to other people and moans when he see's something he doesn't like or if he thinks it directly opposes ND.

That's not a respectable quality and it is *sad* that his team haven't ousted him yet (which doesn't make them any better), and it's sad that people crawl up his ass and defend him.

ND tries to get the better of the rest of the mod community. By resorting to cheap tricks to make the mod look good. It's honestly sad.

And sadder that people defend it. It's a sad day for modding.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really dont think this discussion is valid. There are obviously opinions and lies on both sides, and its quite possible that one or two people who dislike ND are posting ALL of the negative feedback. I'm not defending it or demonizing it. I am simply going to wait and see for myself, and I suggest you do the same.

I have a backround in Psychology, and its quite obvious that many people are feeling betrayed right now, dont. Just wait, all will be revealed in due time.

My advice to the blogger: do some detective work and find some actual conclusive evidence, then compile it readily for us. Because right now all you are doing is giving the mod more attention.

My advice to the ND team and the "plants", just let this blow over. You have a great community and a mod that at least looks good. If it was a true fraud, people would be very mad, and the retaliation would be more than just a blog or a few posts.

ND has manipulative and misleading PR, so what? Its just advertising, and advertising is never honest.

1:21 PM  
Anonymous Erestheux said...

"My advice to the blogger: do some detective work and find some actual conclusive evidence, then compile it readily for us. Because right now all you are doing is giving the mod more attention."

Once again, DaveL admitted that Strangelove was right.

Maybe bold type will help.

DaveL himself admitted that the conclusions Strangelove made were completely true.

If that isn't conclusive to you, I suggest you look up what "conclusive" means in the dictionary.

1:31 PM  
Anonymous hopper said...

DaveL didn't admit that he lied. Rather than make lame excuses and try to cover it up, he laid out the situation and apologized if anyone felt betrayed or mislead.

I have no problem with Strangelove's entry. In fact, investigative analysis of any potential scandal only helps the community. What I don't appreciate is when that analysis is biased and inflammatory. The argument based on some fact, some speculation, and some lies. He could have shown both sides, but he didn't.

But honestly, we're missing the point here. This is a mod. It's going to be free. We the developers aren't getting rich and famous by putting 30+ hours a week of effort into this project in addition to working full time jobs or attending school. Vaporware exists in the industry because people get paid whether or not they actually release the game. Vaporware exists in the mod community also, but those mod teams usually fall apart fast.

I also don't think that some people are realizing that it's common industry style to release photoshopped screens or out-of-game rendered action sequences and ambiguosly label them as "the state of the game." How many times have you watched a demo trailer and wondered "is that real time rendered?" I'm not saying its right to do it, and I'm also not saying that the ND media shouldn't have had some disclaimer on it saying "some images altered", but such a label would be misleading anyways because the screens are very close to true representations of the current state of the game.

Does anyone remember all of the flak that Valve took when the beta of HL2 was stolen? Every forum hosted a war of "the game isn't even playable yet!!!" vs "half life 2 will rule!!!" posts. How did that one turn out?

What it boils down to is that we are building this game. The community has no idea what the state of the game is and can't even guess because the true state can't be conveyed accurately even in a dozen screen shots.

We (the mod team) would love to dispel all the rumors by releasing a huge awesome gameplay video (because trust me, we could), but we're trying to be disciplined and stick to some sort of media release schedule.

So in the end, all I can do is personally assure those who aren't pessimistic haters that Nuclear Dawn is coming. Cause the last time I checked, my computer doesn't know how to compile, execute, and render vapor.

1:44 PM  
Blogger Enders said...

A lot of you kids need to grow up and look at what you're really complaining about

So what? What IF ND is a big hoax? Does that really make you lose sleep at night?

It's almost as if DaveL himself came over to your house and slapped your sister

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geez it's nothing that Valve, Epic or any other game company hasn't done over and over. Welcome to the real world of game development.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DaveL is a gigantic douchebag, I feel no sympathy for his ego, but I feel for his disillusioned team.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DaveL is a gigantic douchebag and I feel no sympathy for him, but I feel for his disiullusioned team.

Mods shouldn't be run like this.

3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DaveL is a gigantic douchebag and I feel no sympathy for him, but I feel for his disiullusioned team.

Mods shouldn't be run like this.

3:55 PM  
Blogger  said...

Word, extendedcp :)

TBH, I think daveL saying what the blogger said was true doesn't actually mean the mod is vapourware (you'd have to be extraordinarily dumb to think that), he's just saying that yes, it is true, and yes, it actually means nothing, seeing as this happens with most mods, big games, and anything else that has deadlines for professional media that it can't meet.

Thing I can't understand is why the blogger is so intent on shaming ND, where does that get anyone at all?

And all the people supporting him seem pretty dumb, just spouting insults and presenting flawed logic.

Insult to modding? Well you people are an insult to the human race tbh ;)

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"DaveL is a gigantic douchebag and I feel no sympathy for him, but I feel for his disiullusioned team.

Mods shouldn't be run like this."

I feel bad for you, your a douchebag who cant learn not to spam, guess what I have to say to you, fuck you, and grow up. DaveL has had a bad past in some HL2 communities, and I wouldent like someone criticizing a mod of mine if I had one. DaveL is not a bad person, infact, he is a nice guy looking out for his mod. Dr. Strangelove only joined this blog website to ctiticize this mod, he makes himeslef look like a douchebag making this his first blog.

Grow the fuck up and quit bithcing about Nuclear Dawn...

Good luck Nuclear Dawn team!

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this guy told us, was the truth. Maybe it's not completely vapourware, but he has some pretty conclusive evidence. Even if you didn't believe his evidence (it's absurd people act like the evidence itself is actaully photoshopped) DaveL admitted to doctoring all the shots. There is no problem at all with doctoring screenshots, however, please read the last line of this blog, in bold. That is the problem, and that is why the blogger decided to speak up. I hope this just powers the ND team to actually make the photoshopped screenshots reality, but it still stands it was a complete deception, designed to make people believe alot more was done than is, including the magazine company. If you are fine with that, so be it, the blogger was not, and this is his blog so he can say whatever he wants. I think the attitude of all the ND defendants is completely absurd and uncalled for. All this guy did was share his opinion about a mod and spread some information, with some serious evidence to back it up. It's actually a bit of a head turner when the ND team and community feels so attacked, when if they 'knew' it was lies etc they would rub it off, but they are all taking it very offensively and seriously. That says something to me.

Lastly, all the ND team would have to do is release a single, solitary video showing any of these features ingame to dispell any rumors. But they won't becuase they can't.

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this guy is getting media from team members, obviously it's rotting from the inside out for a reason, and given daves past of going through people like toiletpaper it's really not surprising

5:31 PM  
Blogger Enders said...

>>however, please read the last line of this blog, in bold. That is the problem, and that is why the blogger decided to speak up


no, it doesn't. This doesn't show anything. They've said and shown a lot more than the few screenshots that this guy brings up

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just Remember guys...this maybe be a good Mod coming out, this may be fake...regardless, There is a hell of a lot of meterial made, constructed and possibly posed...Even if it is fake...a lot of content exists...if you're waiting for it to come out...Wait...if you hate it because this lamer made up reasons to which were just put down by DaveL...Hate it...it doesn't matter...Because it's not Team Fortress 2, it's not Unreal 3 and it's not Free Gmod (you sell out), it's a Mod, whether or not it comes out or if it's a fake, it doesn't matter...because you don't have to pay for it...people, whether they are artists or real coders, have been building something for no money and you all dare strike down against something that costs you nothing?

Next time you log into steam, wait one minute and do nothing, and perhaps think of the hand full of guys that started Id software, for inventing the Deathmatch...and the guys back at Epic for making Unreal, Pff saving in multiplayer? server side maps and Mods, i'd like to see any modern company pull that kind of shit off in one of their games...it can't be repeated. Thank you guys who spent long fucking hours with running their games on Software Mode...any decent Comp come straight from the factory with Hardware Acceleration now, if you didn't know...

So if 6 months from now ND is in my steam games menu, good, because it cost me nothing but time...but if in 2 weeks planet-halflife says it was fake...who gives a flying fuck...you 're allready ungreatfully playing on the back on thousands of people and man hours spent making the games you play everyday. Why don't half of you people write Valve a thank you letter or upgrade your Half-life2 package instead of wasting your time downplaying or deffending one more New Age Mod. For Gods sake, this many people didn't turn out to Defend Sven Co-op when they Faked Demise on April 1st. So all of you can fuck off you unappreciative bastards.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the last time the evidence is not conclusive!

Nuclear Dawn needed to doctor up some screenshots and pose some models in order to make a deadline, if they had not, they would have received ZERO publicity. I happen to know that this team is very professional, just check out the website if you dont beleive what I'm saying. One coder has been working consistently for TWO YEARS on the project, he is legit, skilled, and would not tolerate bullshit. The mod is shaping up, and if you abandon it now just because of a few naysayers then its your own problem. Good riddance to people too immature to appreciate the project, and the desperate measures that sometimes must be taken.

Honestly, you dont scrap an Aston Martin just because someone puked on the seat.

Morons and children the lot of you, you should be ashamed.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly, sure they may have posed a scene or two, they would at first need the models, weapons, and map to accomplish that. People need to look at this with cooler heads.
For starters, this evidence proves absolutely nothing, and Dave completely admitted to it. It was a desperate move, but that's all it was.

Its a clever mask on a huge conspiracy! The conspiracy's goal: Annoy and mislead people?

I'm sorry, that isnt the motive of a sane person. Grow up.

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is all Nuclear Dawn is about. Publicity. Whether it is fake or not, I don't care, I don't think they should have done this just to meet the deadline. Garry Newman of Gmod has done literally ZERO advertising, he doesn't run around throwing his shit in magazines, he doesn't release screenshot after screenshot with nothing to play, nothing to grasp. He doesn't have to fake anything either, because he doesn't need publicity. If a mod is great, then people will flock to it without seeing it on every fucking magazine cover and forum announcement. Nuclear Dawn looks good (if all of this is real), good enough to have a massive following without shitloads of advertising and PR. It is a non-profit mod. Come the fuck on.

9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if the mod doesn't need advertising, would you reject an offer to fill 3 pages in CGW ?

Well, allright then.

12:25 AM  
Anonymous DaveL said...

Damn it...I suck. :(

12:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone who is fanboying over ND, answer this:

HAVE YOU PLAYED THIS GAME YET?

Have you played the alpha or beta? Have you seen the game in action (i.e. a video, not some shopped screenshots)? Have you ANY proof that the game is real, and not just a hyped up screenshot fest?

Give me a beta and I'll believe you.

1:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This mod may be free but it's constantly being treated as if it's a retail game by the dev team. They take it all way too seriously, and then everyone wonders why people get annoyed by these deceptive methods.
(Seriously, what mod team doctors all their screenshots just to get into a magazine?)

They seem so focused on advertising and generating hype that I'm surprised they have any time left over to actually make the mod and have fun with it.

"Oh it's just a free mod" well the development team certainly don't seem to think so. Maybe if they took themselves a little less seriously, the rest of the community would too.

2:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are all idiots.
If you knew anything about DaveL you would know he went to every magazine and *asked* them to do a segment on his mod. Because there is nothing playable to show to any of these people no big magazines (pcgamer) accept him, and he has to go to little magazines.

If you take your mod to 10 editors, 1 or 2 will probably take it up. If you think they went to him and asked him for an interview etc, you guys are absolutely retarded. This is DaveL guys.

4:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bastards

4:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see why you guys care so fucking much if this game is Vaporware or not? All you're doing is advertising it more. And if it actually does come out, I'll be here laughing pretty damn hard, because all of this e-drama was for nothing.

5:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're all missing the point. The fact is that the mod does exist, what's wrong is that the mod makes up screenshots and materials to come off like it's more complete than it actually is. If it was completely, they wouldnt have to use props. And that's as bad as using rendered screenshots and calling it "in game shots". And that kind of behavior should be shunned by the comminuty

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Ennui said...

You cannot say that Strangelove was "completely correct" in his accusations. He was correct in noticing the shots were posed, and that the HUD was photoshopped; however, he takes that 'evidence' and then runs with it, making wild accusations that ND is vaporware and stuff, which is most definitely NOT true.

9:29 AM  
Anonymous "Get a life" plant said...

"I for one know that it hasnt been active for over a year, so this clearly is another one of ND's lies."

The internet is one of the few places you can get away with publishing lies under the name _anonymous_ and actually having people believe you. Any debate on this is pointless. When/if ND gets released everyone will know the truth.

Surely you guys have better things to do with your time than cry your emo tears over the internet? Damn little kids go do something constructive with your time. I could give a damn what DaveL's done in the past, I'd rather play this than wait for NS:Source to get finished man if anythings vaporware its that. I'm not gonna complain about a mod thats free and that hasnt even come out yet GODDAMM you guys are lame.

BTW the only plants round here is that emo blogger and all the fanboys on both sides of the argument crying over the internet. Damn human vegetables the lot of you.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous RabidMonkey said...

This is silly. Until you have hard proof that ND is vaporware, I'd really refuse from making an ass of yourself. You have no hard evidence for any of this and before you start throwing accusations you need to think about what's really going on. And I'm not any community plant, either.

When I worked on Black Mesa, another modification, we did something similar. Our grunt model was posed in my dam level and compiled as a static prop - His animations were incomplete and we had a 5-day deadline to rush stuff for a magazine preview. We settled on using the artists for other assets necessary and simply modelled the grunt, weapon and all, and compiled it into the map as a static object. It's not necessarily an uncommon practice. But just because deadlines come down and compromises must be made does not mean that a mod is vaporware. Think from the point of a developer, or rather, a team, before you start talking shit.

1:43 PM  
Anonymous CrazyJoe said...

You Sir are a MFB AHole. I am a fan of ND and I have been following it ever since their webpage opened. I can not and will not believe anything that comes out of that Shit hole of yours. How F'ing dare you slur this mod. If I could I would hit your blog with a type specific worm that would back track to your PC and make it blow up in your face. Shut the FUCKING HELL UP.

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, looking at everything, I would say that yes, ND is further behind than they claim they are, but if they aren't faking the models and maps and weapons, but just faking the HUDs and gameplay, then it's not like they're completely lying. Truth is, Nuclear Dawn appears far too elaborate to be a hoax, so even if it isn't that far along, it should eventually amount to something.

Still, it's good to have the heads-up that they're not quite everything they pretend to be. It'll be interesting to watch and see if anything comes of this.

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny thing is, they're preparing a video for the next release, and when thsi happens, I will come back here and laugh so so hard.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous extendedcp said...

It doesn't mean that if you did not touch the game, you are not allowed to fanboy over it or defend it agianst crappy arguments. Like, Black Mesa, GMod 9.5. I may be said as "fanboying" over them. Black Mesa only has screenshots as media, not a video. GMod 9.5 also only have screenshots from a FTP server. You can photoshop them, especially GMod 9.5... maybe the screenshots are simply taken off customized menus from GMod 9?

Regardless how the dev team treats it, you don'y pay a single cent. When it do comes out and it's free, I bet some of the ND Bashers here will play it. Whether you play it to critisize it or not, you still play it, for free.

They put up so much time plannning and developing only to see a few tards try to bring it down.

It doesn't surprise me if the original HL2 development team quit after the leak.

There are some things normal noobs don't understand from the developers' point of view.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is so stupid. You sound like you think you've unconvered a "conspiracy" against the gaming community. DONT LET THE ND TEAM LIE TO YOU , DONT FALL FOR THEIR TRICKS GUYS. PULL THE BLINDERS OFF, LOOK TOWARDS THE LIGHT. I've got the answers! If you listen to me we'll make it through! Go Team Justice forever! Yeah you sure got them. They are just spicing things up for the damn magazine, and it seems like you are just ripping at small things like the hud, which will be implimented, regardless of how it looks in the photoshop. The enemies are shown standing still- its a picture, no movement. Thats just a guess.

6:08 PM  
Anonymous QReaper said...

Let this die, for heavens sake. Just like every other "unmasked" article, this thing has truths, and lies. It's taken too far. Get over it, it's photoshoped, so what? I hope you're happy and that whatever your REAL agenda is, other than bringing down this mod, has not succeeded, people will watch and wait, as they always did.

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter what that mod looks dumb

3:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are we here debating this when would all just be playing hidden instead ;)

www.hidden-source.com

4:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think this photo edit'd - photoshop - who in there right mind would use that shit any way?

5:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been following ND since their big Launch date. I've been a fan since but to be honest, I believe the ND community here is over reacting.

So far what the blogger has posted is true. DaveL has definetly addmited to it. Regardless, what they have shown is more than enough proof that they are deep into development.

However having those photoshoped images into the magazine really stabs my heart. The fact that DaveL said:

"The alpha screenshots in these magazine scans are clear evidence of just how far along Nuclear Dawn is in development."

is a disgrace, especially to the magazine (in my humble opinion).

However I am still looking forward to the mod and hope for the best to the dev team. I am pretty sure we'll see a release in the near future.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Ennui said...

The screens do indeed show how far along it is in development, just prettier than it actually is.

I've uncovered real leaked shots of the alpha from the Commander's point of view. It shows the Commander HUD, which is fully functional with everything we saw in the CGW screens, except it's not as good looking.


http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=988

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Ennui said...

since the link got cut off in the last comment, just click here

2:05 PM  
Anonymous ennui said...

aaaaaaaaaaaand the leak got nuked.

however, they basically prove this mod wrong; so i'm satisfied that Dr. Strangelove was just completely pwned.

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think noone would care that ND fabricated stuff if DaveL wasn't such a cockmunch.

I feel sorry for the real developers on his team, to put up with a knob like him must take alot of patience.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Garry:

I think I heard DaveL talking before in #mapcore and he admitted that none of the maps or models are actually in HL2 yet - all the shots are concepts rendered in 3DMax. He had the gameplay all planned out in his head though so it's gonna be awesome.

Also none of us, our friends, houses or lives really exist. We're part of a simulation he's running to see how well the mod hype period will be received when the PR campaign is launched (within the 5-10 year period after internal concept art testing is done).

Once the inital feedback of the real PR campaign is received another simulation will be run to find out how long it will take to make the mod.

The plan is to get the project finished for launch at 2050 because "it's a nice round number".

7:33 PM  
Anonymous erestheux said...

Ennui said:
"however, they basically prove this mod wrong; so i'm satisfied that Dr. Strangelove was just completely pwned."

...I am confused about how he was pwned when every accusation he made was admitted by DaveL.

Just because he went on some tangent about vaporware doesn't make his specific accusations any less credible. At this point, there is no way to prove it is vaporware, but it can easily proven that it isn't vaporware. So why isn't it being?

And I for one will never trust anything that ND ever releases again, as what is to say that isn't photoshopped too?

9:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This debate has simply degraded into a flamefight. Its useless, its ridiculous, it should stop.
If you're going to argue at least be intelligent. Strangelove pointed out some valid points, but also ran with his idea. It happens, and there was no harm done until you morons started misinterpreting everything and jumping to conclusions. Watch and wait, have a little patience. I have better things to do, and you should find some too. You people frustrate me, but whats worse is the time wasted posting comments without knowing what the hell you are talking about.

I especially frown upon Garry and DaveL for actually responding to this nonsense. Especially garry because of whats said on his forums, didnt know there could be a more useless bunch of comments than the ones left here, but he proved me wrong.

10:25 PM  
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12:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHA To produce more hype they have created a script so people on the forum can "Guess" the release data of ND! MUHAHHAHAHA OMFG I can't contain myself.

Stupid link to the thread Click Here

1:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at the date that thread was posted you moron. "04-08-2006, 09:02 PM"

2:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and look at the last post YOU MORON HAHAAH

"05-28-2006, 08:46 PM"

4:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Acctually Today, 11:56 AM

4:59 AM  
Anonymous QReaper said...

Well, anonymous just owned anonymous...odd.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL fucking morons, Just about every game companies fake screenshots for magazines and promo shit, so why would a mod be any different. It's called marketing assholes.

11:24 AM  
Anonymous Sébastien Richer said...

What a fucking dickhead.

GO ND GO!

If you want my help I'll offer it free.

sigh...

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW...on the commander HUD it is different. On the team orders menu thing..a different order is highlighted.

1:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think this is a pretty incredible display of jealousy from someone who realised a long time ago that he/she has no real use on this planet.

It seems to me you have some major issues with the team behind Nuclear Dawn, especially DaveL. I know Dave personally, I went to school with him, and I can assure each and everyone of you people who have negative things to say about him, that he has no intention of having a bad attitude to anybody inside, or outside of the modding community, but at the same time, he is entitled to defend himself and his mod, against the type of people who have written this blog.

Who cares if some screenshots in a magazine were photoshopped, the sole intention of doing this is to give a fair representation of the finished product, and how on earth will you be taken for a fool? If you don't want to play this game, don't do it! It exists to give us all entertainment, it doesn't harbour some dark sinister alterior motive.

7:32 PM  
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7:57 PM  
Anonymous Lock N' Load said...

It's one of two things:
1. A jerk that is trying to bash a [to be] good game.
OR
2. ND Dev created anti-ND site to make the release of the game all the sweeter since we'd all feel that who ever did this just got pwned like an efeminate man that shares a jail cell with Bubba.

So there you have it.

12:56 AM  
Anonymous qreaper said...

So, we're all agreed this isn't anyhting more than a marketing idea that some guy decided to make a stink over?

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ND Haters: "UR MOM!!1"
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3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people are idiots, it takes a lot more time to edit screenshots to look like current gameplay than it would to just take a screenshot. If the mod is doing so well and the current condition that it is in is so great they could have just gone in while recording gameplay and taken some screenshots. Thank you for revealing this bullcrap that they are handing out.

9:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have screenshots of the internal test builds.

It exists, it's playable.

Ha, ha, ha.

4:32 AM  
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11:07 AM  
Anonymous Cranky said...

I fail to see that a free mod has to have lots and lots of PR. Fake PR as well. There seems to be no reason what so ever to hype a game through fake screenies or anything similar. You are not going to earn anything on it anyways. What I also fail to understand is why the people from ND accuse the blogger, saying he is an emokid and so forth. Why was that constructive or sensefull? I fail to see the reason as to why insult people claiming their point. There seems to be no reason what so ever to ever make up an accusation that has no connection to the real world. Why is it that as soon as someone is out of arguments they instead of admitting they have no comments they start assaulting people. There is no reason for this. There will never be reason for this. If the blogger said that you were wrong, prove you were not. If he says the screenies are fake, prove they are not. If he says that it's vapore ware, prove that it is not, with solid proof that a game exists, not just photoshopped pictures, follow garry at garrys mod and don't just say that everyone does it cause I doubt that.

4:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following is a quote from a complete retard...

I think the key issue everyone seems to be missing here is that the material shown in the magazine does not represent the current progress of the mod, and to use that media as some kind of representation of how close to release/how far the mod has come along is fradulent and dishonest to the community and to the fans in general, who suddenly seem so eager to defend it.

The following is a response from a self-declared idiot...

Anyone who purchased Half-life 2 and plays anything based off it and has this kind of philosophy is completely retarded. HL2 was the most anticipated game of all time, and VALVE SOFTWARE PURPOSELY AND REPEATEDLY MISLEAD AND OUTRIGHT LIED TO FANS REGARDING PROGRESS.

Is it morally justifiable to lie? Typically, no. However, the point you seem to be missing is that none of this concept art was deliberately released to convince people the mod is near completion. This is a flawed inferrence by the fact that it is not expressly stated that all the work is concept work.

Also, it begs to be mentioned that some people here, including the super-incredibly-retarded blogger to which this site belongs believe that the mod doesn't exist at all.

This strikes a chord with me personally, because I worked on a Half-life mod called Uncrossable Parallel. UP is essentially the underachieving version of ND, in terms of contraversy. UP claimed to have features we coders never got close to having bug free, simply due to limitations of the HL1 engine.

However, due to a designer that acted like a kid in a candy store, we ultimately ended up with a mod that was an incomplete set of promised fluff features, nonessential to gameplay, and an incomplete gameplay system. Due to this, the mod was never released beyond private beta.

Two things that I believe will prevent this from happening to ND: (1) DaveL is not pushever, doormat mod leader. He doesn't tolerate tardiness, procrastination, and optimism. (2) Their designer is calculated and collected. The design was finalized 2 years ago and has not departed much, to my knowledge, since the private beta began.

Anyways, if this really has you upset, you need an additional hobby.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following is a quote from an even bigger retard who failed to read the article at hand:

"However, the point you seem to be missing is that none of this concept art was deliberately released to convince people the mod is near completion. This is a flawed inferrence by the fact that it is not expressly stated that all the work is concept work."

"The alpha screenshots in these magazine scans are clear evidence of just how far along Nuclear Dawn is in development." <- This statement would leave me to believe that the work shown in the article is infact real ingame media. while you suggest that they have stated neither that it is real or concept, I believe that you are wrong.

7:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reading these blogs has really been entertaining. I can't wait until the public beta comes out...what will all you non believers say then?

12:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im not even gonna bother reading the other peoples comments. And I am not normaly one to flame.

But your a f***ing idiot... Just my two cents. You seem like a sad little kid who never got that red ryder wagon an xmas that you wanted, so you burned dow nteh house and said daddy touched your pee-pee and mommy takes lots of pills, just to get away from your obviously over abuse parents just because you didnt get that wagon on xmas. At least, thats the type of person you seem to be.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I was on DaveL's pay list ;) We've been working on HB for 3 years now. It's a LOT of hard work creating every asset from scratch. We'd never fake screenies but can understand why ND would make some small aesthetic changes to show the intended look. All i can say is I wish we had too now, whoever made this thread is a genius. Great PR for ND :D Keep up the good work DaveL and team.

[HB]Trax
www.hull-breach.com

5:31 AM  
Anonymous [HB] Hazzard said...

I fail to see what the big deal is.

Even if these screenshots aren't actualy from in-game, it still shows what they have so far and where they would like it to be.

Give them a chance to live up to the hype, it's terribly hard work creating a mod from scratch.

ND has proven to be an exceptional mod, and I won't judge it until i've played it.

8:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uzc-Sqmcu9Y

Ouch, there goes your analysis.

5:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL, don´t u all think u flame with the same person who made this blog due to an undersized e-pen ?

6:10 PM  
Anonymous HaterOfLies said...

Reading this blog in 2009 and seeing that Nuclear Dawn was nothing else than a big fat lie, i have to state my admiration for the creator of the blog, who saw it all coming 3 years ago.

8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it all turned about to be true. The game was nothing but vapourware... and now three years later, it's gone retail and the new development team are STILL using these fake screenshots in their media updates, except now with added photoshop filters.

/facepalm

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